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New Edition – Ep40

... nope, sorry. Not that New Edition.

Here we go again.

Wizards of the Coast has announced that a 5th edition of D&D is upcoming. Many of us saw the writing on the wall. To some it is a let-down, and others it is about time.


In this episode we tell you where we stand, along with our hopes and expectations.


New Edition – Ep40


Cast – Eric, Mike, Dan, Mark, Jayson and Shawn


Running Time – 34:58


00:00     Intro

00:30     Topic: The Next D&D

Items Mentioned: Wizards of the Coast, Dungeons & Dragons, Open Game License, Forbes Article, New York Times Article, World of Warcraft, Pathfinder, EN World

08:18     TANGENT: Beta Testing

Item Mentioned: D&D Playtest

09:04     Back on Topic

Items Mentioned: D&D Experience, GenCon, Paizo, DC Comics

21:21     TANGENT: Stop Making Crap

Items Mentioned: Steve Jobs, Nike

23:54     Back on Topic

Items Mentioned: Risk, Monopoly

32:32     TANGENT: Dan… the Edition Kiss of Death

Items Mentioned: Mutants and Masterminds, Hero System, Aces & Eights, Hackmaster

34:15     Outro




  1. benensky
    benensky January 17, 2012

    I DM a group of 6 to 8 players under 21. They pushed me to change from 3.5 to 4.0 and love it. You should check your demographic information.

    • Eric
      Eric January 17, 2012

      Benensky, that is awesome. I love to hear it when younger players are passionate about the game.

      We would love to hear more about your group’s choice, like what prompted it, and how they’ve reacted to the news of the next edition.

  2. Rich
    Rich January 22, 2012

    I’ve played every edition of D&D from 1st to 4th. I’m looking forward to 5th or whatever they are going to call it, as I felt that 4e was too much like Warcraft or another MMO on the table. My group plays it, and we have enjoyed it, but I’m not its biggest fan.

    One thing you guys said though, bothered me. I can’t get behind the whole “tablet apps” or online thing. I don’t own a tablet, smartphone, or any other device like that. I also don’t have a laptop that can run any of those kinds of programs. My reasons for that are my own, but I have no plans to buy any of those items any time soon. I prefer to get my books in dead tree format, as that way, everything you need is right there, in full size, without any chance of technical glitch. I hope Wizards doesn’t go completely digital, as that would probably exclude me from being a part of it.

    • Jayson
      Jayson January 25, 2012

      I really doubt if they went completely digital, that would be corporate suicide. I could see them releasing stuff digitally in bits and pieces for under $5 each, and then releasing them in hardback a year later for $40 a pop – after fixing errata and making improvements based on community feedback. Imagine the repeat sales: “I gotta get the new ranger elf variant class right now, it’s only $1.99.” And six months later at his hobby shop: “Cool! The new Forests and Fey book is out!”

  3. Steve
    Steve January 25, 2012

    3rd Ed was great for players, not so much for DMs. I felt like a kid in a candy store.

    DMs always have the power. If they don’t they’re not doing it right. Learn how to lay down the law. Everyone is supposed to enjoy the game, that includes the DM.

    People who paid for 4th should’ve seen how bad the system was. You get what you pay for.

    4th Ed obituary:

    Shortest edition of the game ever.
    First edition to lose the position of no 1 selling RPG.
    First edition to not have a great Computer RPG.

  4. Fippy Darkpaw
    Fippy Darkpaw January 25, 2012

    Never heard this podcast before but really enjoyed it. Got the link of ENWorld monthly newsletter. One thing you guys could have mentioned more was the complete failure of WOTC on 4E in computer gaming. 1E had the Gold Box SSI games and Eye of the Beholder. 2E had Baldur’s Gate, PlaneScape Torment, IceWind Dale, etc. 3E had Neverwinter Nights, Pool of Radiance remake, Temple of Elemental Evil, and D&D Online. At the time all were considered good to great games.

    4E so far has a crappy Facebook app and a terrible Xbox live Diablo-clone. Gleemax was a complete failure as well and their alleged online gaming table never happened. BTW, have you guy talked about the PathFinder MMOG? It’s a huge mistake IMHO and waste of the IP. They should be make a party-based CRPG like Baldur’s Gate.

    • Jayson
      Jayson January 27, 2012

      Excellent points Fippy. Speaking for myself, I can’t say that I’ve ever played any D&D video games. I’ve always lacked the hardware needed to play them. We mentioned the Pathfinder MMOG in the 5th edition podcast. I thought it sounded somewhat ambitious. I wish them the best of luck.

  5. David S
    David S August 20, 2012

    Interesting podcast guys. I found the Gamers Table about a month ago and I have been enjoying listening to the shows.

    You mentioned that they should perhaps have a “trade in” on the old edition. It’s not unheard of in my experience. I play the WWII game Flames of War, and when Battlefront came out with the 3rd edition this year they did such a thing. If you owned a hardcover edition of the 2nd edition FoW rule book, you bring it into your local shop, they slap a 1″ diameter gold foil like sticker on the cover (that said “2nd ed Veteran” or something) and you walked out with a full color digest size rulebook…and your old 2nd ed rule book. The digest rulebook is a shrunk down version of the full rules. Battlefront did the same thing when they converted from 1st to 2nd ed too.

    There are gamers who don’t like Flames of War for a variety of reasons, but I have never heard anyone complain about Battlefront’s commitment to their gaming community, like I have about WoTC and Games Workshop.

    The micro transactions are an interesting concept, but how does that support brick and mortar stores?

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